FIX ARCHER CLASS

[ALERIONNNNNNN]

Hello!
Everyone complains about archers and gm just sitting idle
Impossible to do pk when archers online, they either shoot and run away, or just run away they cannot be caught by mage or warrior.
People leave this server coz of them.
You can fix atack power or stun rate, will be good if you limit the firing distance or make them slow.

40% of the server = archers
Delete this job or do anything cant play well. Mele partys cant do anything only npt, all moved for humans and became disbalance, almost always 2 orc partys vs 4 human partys including archers. Wanting to just get out of this game.
Do anything
@Aesteris  @twostars

[mugii159]

i hope gm you help us ....

all archers making cancer to apexko , if you see  cz only people for events, now the people karus no want to do PK because if we fight with other´s party they just coming and kill us easy, how we can kill they if just run and attack? is impossible reach team if always work arrow of ice and light , and good damage skill ... i think if you Admin do something about ice and lighting arrow , we can play very well... or may be range of attack of archers 

really karus cant play with archers... is so bored , all players tired for this "pk" so ... show that you are not forgotten apexko and do anything about archers 

[Mage4Life]

@ALERIONNNNNNN    You can fix attack power or stun rate, will be good if you limit the firing distance or make them slow

 

 

Disable light arrow and ice arrow ? 

Resistance vs Rate

 

Decrease effective range from all type bows from 40.00 to what value ?

Face to face with melee at close range

 

Disable Archer lightfeet ?

swift skill and swift scroll only

 

 

[g1r0]

10 hours ago, ALERIONNNNNNN said:

Delete this job or do anything cant play well.

hahahaaha roflmao this guy is soo funny, eliminate a basic class from the game just cos they dont let them play well xD!!!

10 hours ago, ALERIONNNNNNN said:

they either shoot and run away, or just run away they cannot be caught by mage or warrior.

Hello!!! this is the basic idea to be archer.... or what u think people gonna make a archer for tank OP warrior class ?? hahahahaha ?

Please @Admin delete priest debuff job... too much Debuff we cant play aswell... ?

[Dartanyan]

ALERIONNNNNNN, 16 saat önce yazdı:

Hello!
Everyone complains about archers and gm just sitting idle
Impossible to do pk when archers online, they either shoot and run away, or just run away they cannot be caught by mage or warrior.
People leave this server coz of them.
You can fix atack power or stun rate, will be good if you limit the firing distance or make them slow.

40% of the server = archers
Delete this job or do anything cant play well. Mele partys cant do anything only npt, all moved for humans and became disbalance, almost always 2 orc partys vs 4 human partys including archers. Wanting to just get out of this game.
Do anything
@Aesteris  @twostars

sensible .

[ALERIONNNNNNN]

6 hours ago, g1r0 said:

hahahaaha roflmao this guy is soo funny, eliminate a basic class from the game just cos they dont let them play well xD!!!

Hello!!! this is the basic idea to be archer.... or what u think people gonna make a archer for tank OP warrior class ?? hahahahaha ?

Please @Admin delete priest debuff job... too much Debuff we cant play aswell... ?

try to play solo vs 8 archers, you will sack so smart?
We can make a clan of archers too, there will be archerko, then people will start to leave
Why you moved on humans side? tired to play on orc side? you really funny guy

Edited August 3, 2019 by ALERIONNNNNNN

[Chayni]

archers wouldn't be as big of a problem if both nations had archer party going.

 

[g1r0]

4 hours ago, ALERIONNNNNNN said:

try to play solo vs 8 archers, you will sack so smart?
We can make a clan of archers too, there will be archerko, then people will start to leave
Why you moved on humans side? tired to play on orc side? you really funny guy

You guys allways play with *2 priest and *2 party full undying + invi pot 

Nikomedia party Archers Will not represent any problem for you guys, stop cry, on this server the solo class is dead its obviously *8 Archers Will rape you if you Try stay solo  this IS not a good reason for delete 1 basic job, is ridicoulsy.

Btw you guys can Try play like archer also, no more drama. 

 

[ALERIONNNNNNN]

55 minutes ago, g1r0 said:

You guys allways play with *2 priest and *2 party full undying + invi pot 

Nikomedia party Archers Will not represent any problem for you guys, stop cry, on this server the solo class is dead its obviously *8 Archers Will rape you if you Try stay solo  this IS not a good reason for delete 1 basic job, is ridicoulsy.

Btw you guys can Try play like archer also, no more drama. 

 

Then the one who plays solo can delete the game? If we play with 2 partys, we never run away! archers run away almost impossible to kill them. go over the side of the orcs and draw conduions and no cry baby stop wasting my time! if you want to talk about archers pm me in game StrongALERIONNNNN or on forum thanks

[poker12]

+1 up

[okan8566]

ALERIONNNNNNN, 02.08.2019 - 20:21 yazdı:

Hello!
Everyone complains about archers and gm just sitting idle
Impossible to do pk when archers online, they either shoot and run away, or just run away they cannot be caught by mage or warrior.
People leave this server coz of them.
You can fix atack power or stun rate, will be good if you limit the firing distance or make them slow.

40% of the server = archers
Delete this job or do anything cant play well. Mele partys cant do anything only npt, all moved for humans and became disbalance, almost always 2 orc partys vs 4 human partys including archers. Wanting to just get out of this game.
Do anything
@Aesteris  @twostars

Dont Cry Mage Atak 2k arch 800 damage warrıor 1.300 arch 700 why u cry ? u Go Usko And see ARcher Usko Archer 1.500 1000 damage here so mach lıtle damage archer Dont Cry 

[Chayni]

13 hours ago, okan8566 said:

Dont Cry Mage Atak 2k arch 800 damage warrıor 1.300 arch 700 why u cry ? u Go Usko And see ARcher Usko Archer 1.500 1000 damage here so mach lıtle damage archer Dont Cry 

mages and warriors attack from close tho, archers shoot and run, ice and stun up to 90%

[BroOk]

play 255 int priest full stun full slow and dmg low as f.. need 255 str bps already 

sagol.

[red123]

Is USKO Archer different than ApexKO? Yesterday there were so many Orc Kurian and Assassins online, Human Archers were dropping like fly! But you don't see Archers come cry here asking to delete other classes. All we see is Warriors cry because they don't have skills to catch Archers. You rely on Scream skill which works rarely. I totally understand the situation here. You got shit loads of Attack Power and your Macro is on fire spamming R and skill but you're out of range. OMG your frustration is unimaginable. I feel your pain bros.

Edited August 5, 2019 by red123

[ALERIONNNNNNN]

1 hour ago, red123 said:

Is USKO Archer different than ApexKO? Yesterday there were so many Orc Kurian and Assassins online, Human Archers were dropping like fly! But you don't see Archers come cry here asking to delete other classes. All we see is Warriors cry because they don't have skills to catch Archers. You rely on Scream skill which works rarely. I totally understand the situation here. You got shit loads of Attack Power and your Macro is on fire spamming R and skill but you're out of range. OMG your frustration is unimaginable. I feel your pain bros.

In usko and in apexko are completely different stun rate, believe me, i played there for 7 years. Of course they wont whine on the forums coz even if there were a lot of kurians or asasians, then this is one day like that, but archers every day in cz z skill and run...
Scream doesnt work here at all 0% rate success and i never seen to work this skill.. Macro is also allowed here
Thanks

Edited August 5, 2019 by ALERIONNNNNNN

[g1r0]

5 hours ago, ALERIONNNNNNN said:

coz even if there were a lot of kurians or asasians

btw, here kurian get nerfed to dead cos kids crying about skills of portu class, same than this complains about the archer class, srsly wants kill another class?? you guys wants pk with atros harungas and riotes?

[Eos]

On 8/6/2019 at 2:11 AM, ALERIONNNNNNN said:

In usko and in apexko are completely different stun rate, believe me, i played there for 7 years.

Video Link: https://youtu.be/KhtW8acgY2I

I think that this video explains a lot. Just start watching it and you will realize that the rates are not different on USKO, one thing that modifies the rates are your items, by that I mean that if you check this guy's items, you will see that the only items he gains some resistance from are his rings, he is also using a combined set, which is another reason why his resistances are so low.

I will also add an image where you can see his stats. He's got 142 Ice Resistance and 157 Lightning Resistance with Magic Shield ability active, which grants 120 points to all resistances, with some simple maths we can find out that his ice and lightning resistances are 22 Ice and 37 Lightning without Magic Shield, which of course is extremely low. By the way, in the video you can see him getting CC'd (Crowd Control) many times while Magic Shield is active (it's USKO, just reminding you).

And now, about catching the archers. I hope you are not chasing them with 6 warriors - 2 priests, because like this it's impossible to catch them if they are using their 'W+Light feet' combo to run away from you. With mages you might catch them if you can CC them before they kill you (you need good priests of course). The best party I can think of at the moment is, 1/2 attacker kurians, 1 assassin, 1 archer, 3/4 warriors and 1/2 priests. How to make that work? You will have to CC them with archer, catch them with assassin, kurian(s) will have to descent on the assassin to CC them again and secure that they won't be able to run away and last but not least, all the warriors will descent on kurian/assassin and kill the poor archer in a couple of seconds. You need an archer because they won't let an assassin get close to them for descent of course, so you need a ranged CC first.

But of course, to make it easier for yourself, don't forget to use some items with resistances, for example, Cockatirce's Earrings and Legionnaire Band are really important items to use on rogues, you can use Minotaur's Earrings on warriors and Lillime's Earrings on priests, these are only some of the items with Ice/Lightning Resistances I can count right now.

I hope this helps you to change your attitude towards the archers and makes you to try to find out different ways to defeat them.

 

[Chayni]

3 hours ago, Eos said:

Video Link: https://youtu.be/KhtW8acgY2I

I think that this video explains a lot. Just start watching it and you will realize that the rates are not different on USKO, one thing that modifies the rates are your items, by that I mean that if you check this guy's items, you will see that the only items he gains some resistance from are his rings, he is also using a combined set, which is another reason why his resistances are so low.

I will also add an image where you can see his stats. He's got 142 Ice Resistance and 157 Lightning Resistance with Magic Shield ability active, which grants 120 points to all resistances, with some simple maths we can find out that his ice and lightning resistances are 22 Ice and 37 Lightning without Magic Shield, which of course is extremely low. By the way, in the video you can see him getting CC'd (Crowd Control) many times while Magic Shield is active (it's USKO, just reminding you).

And now, about catching the archers. I hope you are not chasing them with 6 warriors - 2 priests, because like this it's impossible to catch them if they are using their 'W+Light feet' combo to run away from you. With mages you might catch them if you can CC them before they kill you (you need good priests of course). The best party I can think of at the moment is, 1/2 attacker kurians, 1 assassin, 1 archer, 3/4 warriors and 1/2 priests. How to make that work? You will have to CC them with archer, catch them with assassin, kurian(s) will have to descent on the assassin to CC them again and secure that they won't be able to run away and last but not least, all the warriors will descent on kurian/assassin and kill the poor archer in a couple of seconds. You need an archer because they won't let an assassin get close to them for descent of course, so you need a ranged CC first.

But of course, to make it easier for yourself, don't forget to use some items with resistances, for example, Cockatirce's Earrings and Legionnaire Band are really important items to use on rogues, you can use Minotaur's Earrings on warriors and Lillime's Earrings on priests, these are only some of the items with Ice/Lightning Resistances I can count right now.

I hope this helps you to change your attitude towards the archers and makes you to try to find out different ways to defeat them.

 

even with full resist on you still get spam stunned/iced

 

[ALERIONNNNNNN]

5 hours ago, Eos said:

Video Link: https://youtu.be/KhtW8acgY2I

I think that this video explains a lot. Just start watching it and you will realize that the rates are not different on USKO, one thing that modifies the rates are your items, by that I mean that if you check this guy's items, you will see that the only items he gains some resistance from are his rings, he is also using a combined set, which is another reason why his resistances are so low.

I will also add an image where you can see his stats. He's got 142 Ice Resistance and 157 Lightning Resistance with Magic Shield ability active, which grants 120 points to all resistances, with some simple maths we can find out that his ice and lightning resistances are 22 Ice and 37 Lightning without Magic Shield, which of course is extremely low. By the way, in the video you can see him getting CC'd (Crowd Control) many times while Magic Shield is active (it's USKO, just reminding you).

And now, about catching the archers. I hope you are not chasing them with 6 warriors - 2 priests, because like this it's impossible to catch them if they are using their 'W+Light feet' combo to run away from you. With mages you might catch them if you can CC them before they kill you (you need good priests of course). The best party I can think of at the moment is, 1/2 attacker kurians, 1 assassin, 1 archer, 3/4 warriors and 1/2 priests. How to make that work? You will have to CC them with archer, catch them with assassin, kurian(s) will have to descent on the assassin to CC them again and secure that they won't be able to run away and last but not least, all the warriors will descent on kurian/assassin and kill the poor archer in a couple of seconds. You need an archer because they won't let an assassin get close to them for descent of course, so you need a ranged CC first.

But of course, to make it easier for yourself, don't forget to use some items with resistances, for example, Cockatirce's Earrings and Legionnaire Band are really important items to use on rogues, you can use Minotaur's Earrings on warriors and Lillime's Earrings on priests, these are only some of the items with Ice/Lightning Resistances I can count right now.

I hope this helps you to change your attitude towards the archers and makes you to try to find out different ways to defeat them.

 

About usko:
Most of all i played warrior on diez, there were a lot of archers and mages there i rarely got stun, but often ice, i had krowaz set +8/roc+3/iron set+3/opals+3 like in apexko, but in apexko even with full +11/+3 items warrior i most likely get stun 80% and ice 80% from archers.

Now about archers, we do just 6 warriors 2 priests, why do you think that we do not do this? One clan generally plays with 3 priests and 5 warriors, what become impossible killing the archers.
About kurians:
Do you seriously think that someone wants to play kurian? a small damage, pull bug, rush works not always, it doesnt even upgrade the weapon from +6 to +7 xD (nepilim)
The main reason people dont want to play kurian is not working skill rush.
If you catch archers by archers, it will be terrible ARCHERKO
Half of the server played by archers, is it so hard to just change stun/ice rate? how many people are alredy saying it? 20? 30? People will leave after they see the party archers.
I hope you help us 
Thanks.

[Eos]

7 hours ago, ALERIONNNNNNN said:

About usko:
Most of all i played warrior on diez, there were a lot of archers and mages there i rarely got stun, but often ice, i had krowaz set +8/roc+3/iron set+3/opals+3 like in apexko, but in apexko even with full +11/+3 items warrior i most likely get stun 80% and ice 80% from archers.

Now about archers, we do just 6 warriors 2 priests, why do you think that we do not do this? One clan generally plays with 3 priests and 5 warriors, what become impossible killing the archers.
About kurians:
Do you seriously think that someone wants to play kurian? a small damage, pull bug, rush works not always, it doesnt even upgrade the weapon from +6 to +7 xD (nepilim)
The main reason people dont want to play kurian is not working skill rush.
If you catch archers by archers, it will be terrible ARCHERKO
Half of the server played by archers, is it so hard to just change stun/ice rate? how many people are alredy saying it? 20? 30? People will leave after they see the party archers.
I hope you help us 
Thanks.

Well, if you are doing 5/6 warriors and 2/3 priests how you expect to kill the archers? By throwing your weapons at them?

On the other side, I think that Kurian is still pretty fun to play, if you know how to do it. Why don't you try it yourself and see how fun your PK will become?

Just try changing your mind and think of ways to deal with your problems without just mentioning them on forums...

[Akali]

I think the archer damage is not a problem at all. 

The only annoying thing about archers is that stun and slow rate is often high with or without resistances. And because of this warriors, sins, kurians hardly ever come to them. And if you look closely, an archer can easily escape from a warrior and put on Chitin Shield and run away.

But even if you remove the stuns and slows from archers, people still moan that it is ArcherKO because there are 2-3 parties. 

In many Turkish servers and myko servers they have removed Lightning Shot and Ice Shot. And you still see many parties of archers because you can easily beat mage class which is by far the most strongest class in ApexKO.

 

My ideas about the server is:

 

1.  Try to nerf Slows & Stuns a little bit. And see if it's a nerf or not. When there are many mages & archers complaining about it then try to buff it a little again. And keep continue making small nerfs&buffs untill people are happy again without complaining.
2. Remove GoldBars from Pk Chests, Biffrost Chests, Ultima Chests. So people that doesn't have alot of money or don't want to spend money for cospres can buy KC again with Gb's from Merchants to buy Cospres. Especially important for New players!
3. Give all the new players free 83/5 cuz it's impossible nowadays to make 50.000 Np's as a new player without any items, cospres etc.

 

@Eos 

What you think?

 

Edited August 9, 2019 by Akali

[Eos]

15 minutes ago, Akali said:

I think the archer damage is not a problem at all. 

The only annoying thing about archers is that stun and slow rate is often high with or without resistances. And because of this warriors, sins, kurians hardly ever come to them. And if you look closely, an archer can easily escape from a warrior and put on Chitin Shield and run away.

But even if you remove the stuns and slows from archers, people still moan that it is ArcherKO because there are 2-3 parties. 

In many Turkish servers and myko servers they have removed Lightning Shot and Ice Shot. And you still see many parties of archers because you can easily beat mage class which is by far the most strongest class in ApexKO.

 

My ideas about the server is:

 

1.  Try to nerf Slows & Stuns a little bit. And see if it's a nerf or not. When there are many mages & archers complaining about it then try to buff it a little again. And keep continue making small nerfs&buffs untill people are happy again without complaining.
2. Remove GoldBars from Pk Chests, Biffrost Chests, Ultima Chests. So people that doesn't have alot of money or don't want to spend money for cospres can buy KC again with Gb's from Merchants to buy Cospres. Especially important for New players!
3. Give all the new players free 83/5 cuz it's impossible nowadays to make 50.000 Np's as a new player without any items, cospres etc.

 

@Eos 

What you think?

 

As you say, their damage is not a big problem only if you are not running towards them without using a shield, iron set and some protective abilities, such as, Frenzy, HP booster etc. 

As I mentioned above, you have to use a ranged class that can CC these archers without getting close to them, that would be an archer or a tanky mage (so he can survive those fights).

About the other servers, yes, they make archer class useless and the only reason behind this is that the most of the KO players on these servers are mage players, so by nerfing/disabling archers they create a clean battlefield for those mages to play. In conclusion, they win more from all these mage clans. I don't know if you can see how their system works.

Finally about your ideas, you can create a topic in Feedback & Suggestions section, let us discuss about it with the other staff members and reach to a conclusion.

[g1r0]

5 hours ago, Eos said:

Well, if you are doing 5/6 warriors and 2/3 priests how you expect to kill the archers? By throwing your weapons at them?

On the other side, I think that Kurian is still pretty fun to play, if you know how to do it. Why don't you try it yourself and see how fun your PK will become?

Just try changing your mind and think of ways to deal with your problems without just mentioning them on forums...

ohhh yeah with full +11 items +3 jewels made 700 dmg basic and 1000 with debuf  for sure is soo funy to play ofc, master skills are disabled passive skills also, pot are deleted % rates of basic skills are crap, im sure this class is fun... for feed another mele class is great!!
warrior class HIT 1300-1400 basic damage is the double damage than kurian class and with debuf HITS 3000-4000, sincerely everyone here is doubting about you intellectual capacity guys...

#Change my mind!
 

Edited August 9, 2019 by g1r0

[Eos]

3 hours ago, g1r0 said:

ohhh yeah with full +11 items +3 jewels made 700 dmg basic and 1000 with debuf  for sure is soo funy to play ofc, master skills are disabled passive skills also, pot are deleted % rates of basic skills are crap, im sure this class is fun... for feed another mele class is great!!
warrior class HIT 1300-1400 basic damage is the double damage than kurian class and with debuf HITS 3000-4000, sincerely everyone here is doubting about you intellectual capacity guys...

#Change my mind!
 

First of all, I will suggest you to change your behaviour.

If you check the video that I posted above, you will notice kurians CCing that guy to death many times, which means that you can do the same here on ApexKO, the rates are not 100% in both situations of course. By using the correct items and the correct talent combination you can create a good build that will allow you to survive more than enough to do your job in fights, just read all the abilities and create a build that will help you to survive for longer and will also allow you to have important abilities unlocked in order to help your team, for example, try focusing on defensive abilities and add some good CC in it, if you also unlock Devil Transformation, that would be pretty good. In this situation you don't really need damage, just survivability and CC, so you can sacrifice some damaging abilities and use defensive and CC abilities instead. That's just an example build that was in my mind at the moment.

Don't use builds that you see other players using on other servers, try to create your own build for the server you are playing on, and that's not only for kurians, you can try different builds on any class, as an example, you can use Smoke Screen abilitiy on rogue to make those archers lose their vision and make them an easier target to kill. Rogue can also become a support class if you didn't already know.

Continuously repeating the same things on forums in a bad way won't help you, trust me. Just open your mind to new ideas and start searching for ways to make the life easier for yourself, don't expect that from others.

[ALERIONNNNNNN]

nice help gm