Rogue damage capabilities enhancement

[IIIAmJohnWick]

As continued from the prior topic.

@Aesteris. @twostars. @Vivaldi.

Major Notes:

CP rates need to be enhanced (currently 40%. Need to be increased by 9-15% -> 50-55% overall for procc rate)

Manhattan mentioned a very clever idea. 1) Increase procc rate but increase rate of cooldown of critical point. 2) Keep CP as is but add duration pot to double the % chance to procc rate rather than double the duration of the skill itself.

Currently Rogue damages are very bad. Due to the introduction of draki pendants in the past is primarily where this change had taken precedent. (Dagger and Jamadar defense on top of health recovery).

This all supports my argument for the need to increase rogue (assassin class) damage capabilities.

 

If you choose to refute my argument please represent a rebuttal below with significant evidence. I won't tolerate emotional statements based simply on "just because my class isn't getting it , your class does not deserve it either".

 

Thank you all very much and have a nice day!

 

- J Wick.

Edited March 30, 2018 by IIIAmJohnWick

[YouGotPwndByMyAss]

The damage is bad because all walk in kro11, holy 8 with baals,wiri,raums11 no red pots in usko people using baal,wiri,raptors,raums +21 and krowaz8/shells10/ds10 + red pots this is reason why skill in usko and not in apexko + in usko almost everyone walking without jamadars defense like draki pendant but they use in3 this is also reason why apexko not so good damage. So basically item wise and patch order is a big reason damage is low in this server. 

[MON5TER]

Solution! Delete everyones items so everyone has to use starter gear.  @twostars close the topic and implement the patch you guys are welcome for this fabulous idea!

Ps. i take tips via paypal or money order.

[IIIAmJohnWick]

30 minutes ago, YouGotPwndByMyAss said:

The damage is bad because all walk in kro11, holy 8 with baals,wiri,raums11 no red pots in usko people using baal,wiri,raptors,raums +21 and krowaz8/shells10/ds10 + red pots this is reason why skill in usko and not in apexko + in usko almost everyone walking without jamadars defense like draki pendant but they use in3 this is also reason why apexko not so good damage. So basically item wise and patch order is a big reason damage is low in this server. 

If this is the case then they need to increase anvil rates to 21 REB for both weapons and armors. It's the only justifiable solution.

25 minutes ago, MON5TER said:

Solution! Delete everyones items so everyone has to use starter gear.  @twostars close the topic and implement the patch you guys are welcome for this fabulous idea!

Ps. i take tips via paypal or money order.

Your 1 step away from making this server a FLL PK server like every other private server that has diminished in less than a years time. I don't think that's a good idea.

[IIIAmJohnWick]

Anyone else have anything to say?

[MON5TER]

1 hour ago, IIIAmJohnWick said:

 

Your 1 step away from making this server a FLL PK server like every other private server that has diminished in less than a years time. I don't think that's a good idea.

It was clearly a joke, but i dont think rouges need a major buff people just need to have a better understanding of the class maybe a couple of tweaks to crit but thats it.

[IIIAmJohnWick]

15 minutes ago, MON5TER said:

It was clearly a joke, but i dont think rouges need a major buff people just need to have a better understanding of the class maybe a couple of tweaks to crit but thats it.

I understand your point of view, however understanding can only get one so far until practical application is put in place. I agree a couple of tweaks are absolutely necessary to the critical point skill. That should suffice the issue at hand. If it seems as a difficulty to enhance the procc % rate from 40 to 50% for the admins. A more than acceptable compromise is manhattan's idea that the implementation of duration pot with effect only to double the % procc rate instead of the duration of the skill itself. They can also increase the cooldown rate from 60 seconds to 90 seconds for the critical point skill if need be. This is more than fair.

 

- J Wick.

[IIIAmJohnWick]

I thank you all for your comments and suggestions. It is now that we have reached a conclusion.

@Aesteris. @twostars. @Vivaldi. Please see that the appropriate changes are made. Thank you.

 

- J Wick.

[YouGotPwndByMyAss]

I have never seen a 83 cap server before filled with archers. Well Apex got that achieve nice nerf warrior&sins + no good patch order + item wise very bad xd.

Stunrate in apexko is 3 times better then usko stun aswell.

Edited March 30, 2018 by YouGotPwndByMyAss

[Humburger]

Ali,,,ofc when you attack full+9/3 warriors/rogues  u'll not do damage with your dual +9 starter jamadar.

just wait some days you'll see rogues walking with dual moons+8 then can kill everyone with parasite in 1/2hits maybe?

Edited March 31, 2018 by Humburger

[Razordagawd]

Not this again...

[YouGotPwndByMyAss]

4 minutes ago, Humburger said:

Ali,,,ofc when you attack full+9/3 warriors/rogues  u'll not do damage with your dual +9 starter jamadar.

just wait some days you'll see rogues walking with dual moons+8 then can kill everyone with parasite in 1/2hits maybe?

Lol you are joking now  Even if moons+8 it won't be like that because no red pot and everyone is walking around with full Draki Pendants and item wise is not like usko in usko all walking with +10 weps +8 armor krowaz or with +10 shells which have low def. but high attack

Warrior&Sin low damage people can escape to easily even if they have debuffs like para&malice or torment&superior para doesn't matter it's to easy.

So all change to mage&archer because high stunrate when they are stunned you take them lower then 50% they cannot town anymore keep powershotting and shooting till the target dies that's how apexko is right now all about stuns & aztec curses/chaos curses no skill included.

[IIIAmJohnWick]

25 minutes ago, Humburger said:

Ali,,,ofc when you attack full+9/3 warriors/rogues  u'll not do damage with your dual +9 starter jamadar.

just wait some days you'll see rogues walking with dual moons+8 then can kill everyone with parasite in 1/2hits maybe?

True silver +8 - 105 AP.  <SelfName> Moonlight +8 - 112 AP.    

112 - 105 = 7 AP Difference.  Multiply By 2 since there 2 items held by char gives 14 AP difference. 

A 14 AP difference WILL not suffice. Maybe if dual moonlight +11 reb but these items are locked at +8.

A change has to be made. Rogues in the given scenario @Apexko. As YougotPwndbymyass has mentioned due possibly to the patch order are incredibly weak.

I have a proposed plan to fix this altogether , once and for all. THIS EXTENDS TO ALL CLASSES. @Aesteris. @twostars. @Vivaldi.

1) Increase Anvil Rates to 21REB For all weapons,Shell,Dragonscale in the game! (Krowaz+11 max Holy +8 max.) so shells and dragon scales actually get their value back and we won't have a TankKO anymore.

2) Increase UTC item upgrade rates to 21 REB

EDITED ON BEHALF OF Valued thought recieved from YouGotpwndbymyass. (WE NEED TO MAKE APEXKO GREAT AGAIN. NO MORE TankKO! )

24 minutes ago, Razordagawd said:

Not this again...

Yes. I demand change! Viva le Revolution !

 

The game play style is suffering tremendously. Lets be real...the only time there is pk is during the small period of time ultima is present in cz. Out of 24 hours of potential pure pk activity it is reduced to a 45 minute session... this is just sad and ludicrous.

Edited March 31, 2018 by IIIAmJohnWick

[YouGotPwndByMyAss]

15 minutes ago, IIIAmJohnWick said:

1) Increase Anvil Rates to 21 REB for all items including weapons and armors.

2) Increase UTC item upgrade rates to 11 REB

3) Increase accessories upgrade to +4

Yes. I demand change! Viva le Revolution !

 

 

Your List is very very bad! Including all armors? U want to see full kro21 holy21??

Also why UTC increase to 11?? Why not 21?

Uniques to +4 are you crazy??? Iron belt+4 have 15 DD. The higher the + on uniques the more tanky they will become.

It should be like this:

 

1 Increase Anvil Rates to 21REB For all weapons,Shell,Dragonscale in the game! (Krowaz+11 max Holy +8 max.) so shells and dragon scales actually get their value back and we won't have a TankKO anymore.

2 Let Uniques stay at +3 max.

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by YouGotPwndByMyAss

[IIIAmJohnWick]

2 minutes ago, YouGotPwndByMyAss said:

Your List is very very bad! Including all armors? U want to see full kro21 holy21??

Also why UTC increase to 11?? Why not 21?

Uniques to +4 are you crazy??? Iron belt+4 have 15 DD. The higher the + on uniques the more tanky they will become.

It should be like this:

 

1 Increase Anvil Rates to 21REB For all weapons,Shell,Dragonscale in the game! (Krowaz+11 max Holy +8 max.) so shells and dragon scales actually get their value back and we won't have a TankKO anymore.

2 Let Uniques stay at +3 max.

 

Edited on your behalf. Thanks for input.

[Razordagawd]

53 minutes ago, YouGotPwndByMyAss said:

So all change to mage&archer because high stunrate when they are stunned you take them lower then 50% they cannot town anymore keep powershotting and shooting till the target dies that's how apexko is right now

Lmao you can't be serious.

[IIIAmJohnWick]

6 minutes ago, Razordagawd said:

Lmao you can't be serious.

He does have a point considering that since the recent patch the #'s of archers and mages have INCREASED Compared to what the # of players that played the archer and mage class in the past. That is a fact. You can't dispute fact.

[Razordagawd]

Just now, IIIAmJohnWick said:

He does have a point considering that since the recent patch the #'s of archers and mages have INCREASED Compared to what the # of players that played the archer and mage class in the past. That is a fact. You can't dispute fact.

Mages is a given. Archers? No.

I would have already sold my bow if that were true!

[Humburger]

Just add redpot many things will get fixed, ty.

[YouGotPwndByMyAss]

14 minutes ago, Razordagawd said:

Mages is a given. Archers? No.

I would have already sold my bow if that were true!

Stun & ice shot 99% also priest will be canceled 24/7 by archers. Sins and warriors got nerfed always now archers actually doing same damage but from distance lol. It should also get a tiny nerf atleast reduce those ice and lightning shot by alot! When im against rome those archers free arrow shower my priest i cant kill them with torment bcuz yok dmg in this trash game if nerf warrior and sin also nerf this jackass archer alrdy. PS: don’t forget styx. And no1 can touch u if u have lup on. Edit: no1 care ur bow have azagai+8. Goodnight all i will see reply tomorrow @Razordagawd

Edited March 31, 2018 by YouGotPwndByMyAss

[IIIAmJohnWick]

53 minutes ago, Humburger said:

Just add redpot many things will get fixed, ty.

No, we need more than RED POT now. Red pot is not enough.

[Razordagawd]

48 minutes ago, YouGotPwndByMyAss said:

Stun & ice shot 99% also priest will be canceled 24/7 by archers. Sins and warriors got nerfed always now archers actually doing same damage but from distance lol. It should also get a tiny nerf atleast reduce those ice and lightning shot by alot! When im against rome those archers free arrow shower my priest i cant kill them with torment bcuz yok dmg in this trash game if nerf warrior and sin also nerf this jackass archer alrdy. PS: don’t forget styx. And no1 can touch u if u have lup on. Edit: no1 care ur bow have azagai+8. Goodnight all i will see reply tomorrow @Razordagawd

99%? Ice shot? LOL please come on now. Any class that isn't a rogue is literally immune to slows, and stuns don't happen nearly as much comparing an archer to a mage.

Complaining about AS MS cancelling priest heals? Like, protect your priests then? Any archer that goes in to attack the priest, exposes himself so hard it is very hard to survive. It's extremely risky to do so to the point that if even two warriors decide to focus you at the same time, odds are you are not going to survive because it's at least 4-5 hits from each until you retreat out of their range. Maybe with a mage? Considering the risk involved, it should be rewarding don't you think?

Outside range and cancelling priests, what can archers really do? Yes they're safe if played well, but outside an archer party, they aren't really a threat. I can't believe both you and HANGOVER try to paint archers as overpowered now lmfao.

 

[YouGotPwndByMyAss]

10 hours ago, Razordagawd said:

99%? Ice shot? LOL please come on now. Any class that isn't a rogue is literally immune to slows, and stuns don't happen nearly as much comparing an archer to a mage.

Complaining about AS MS cancelling priest heals? Like, protect your priests then? Any archer that goes in to attack the priest, exposes himself so hard it is very hard to survive. It's extremely risky to do so to the point that if even two warriors decide to focus you at the same time, odds are you are not going to survive because it's at least 4-5 hits from each until you retreat out of their range. Maybe with a mage? Considering the risk involved, it should be rewarding don't you think?

Outside range and cancelling priests, what can archers really do? Yes they're safe if played well, but outside an archer party, they aren't really a threat. I can't believe both you and HANGOVER try to paint archers as overpowered now lmfao.

 

All the sins i play with getting permanently slowed&stunned 24/7 and yes mage and archer both stun equally and even me as warrior with LR pot getting stunned 24/7 since UTC patch so it's overpowered asf.

 

Yes im complaining they canceling my priest 24/7 because it's true. I'm protecting my priest but doesn't matter i attack them because me as +11/+3 warrior deal no damage in this server even if that archer put on his chitinshield he can put on a bipennis aswell and spam c for 10 seconds without any issue while priest healing him so other archers continue canceling my priest np! Warrior and sin yok damage. Archer only can't survive like that if you are against a full party but then they can styx priest and powershot together a sin or warrior and make easily a kill. 

 

Sins & Warriors got nerfed multiple times since first days of apexko it already got nerfed and now again -15 str battle cry i don't feel like a warrior anymore and archers never got nerfed its time for them to be nerfed since the whole server is filled with archers aka PAYBACKFTW,CrazyTime,KingAurelio his fag buddies, Rome, Whole colony zone is filled with those archers maybe go play call of duty lmao. They make everyone quit server and even me and my buddies always end up towning or dieing because of stuns and we can't even attack them once! As soon we turn around they walk back and wait until we get stunned and die. And even if we come close they just put on cs and no way we will ever kill him because damage is to low on this server lmao.

 

And for everyone else: I don't feel anymore like a warrior i don't deal damage people escape to easily even if they are duffed then im talking about all classes! I dont do damage as 83/5 +11/+3 Warrior i feel more like a paladin but then without heals and stuff. Warrior is like a juggernaut very unmobile and deal alot of damage now you are unmobile and low damage and don't forget all warrior does is damage it don't have cure or heal or lupin eyes or light feet or range attacks or far aoe range attacks and you also don't have stun or slow just scream 1% working and that's it. it's only close attacks which you can easily ignore as a sin/archer by not walking in their path. You can say hey but warrior have descent on sin! Well then don't be a stupid idiot and use ur lupin eyes already. And warrior party versus mages a mage party can wipe out a warrior party before the warriors even touch them! Lol all the people that complain about warriors in here are little wankers and definetly have no clue how to play.

(All warrior have is just damage nothing else period can't even solo pk lmao)

This server is a server for new players to learn that's how i see it because it's easily and don't have to worry or focus alot because there is no skilled involve this is a server for players that can learn stuff but a fact is Knight Online is losing more players then gaining so it doesn't make any sense to not make it skilled lol because everyone that plays this server have played for many years and already know how everything works.

 

Small parties are impossible no more damage sins&warriors 0 damage barely can touch anyone because it's all archer and mages stunning ur ass and you will die or town.

The fun is out of the game that's a fact!

 

2015-2016 were good times! And actually had alot of damage no full tank items like Holy Knight draki pendants krowaz+11 always stable pk 80vs80 and even april till september on 2016 was 300vs300 with all those mages! But since they added Ultima's & Holy Knights & those stupid quests for felankor chest ultima chest it changed into 20vs20 at pk times (With Lucky) 2017-2018 actually a screwed up years. (Specially 2018 at UTC PATCH) and them im not talking about utc itself lol!

 

And i'm tired of explaining about how bad the server is compared with usko well you guys can say me so why aren't you playing there? Usko have bad ping filled with laggs the day i started apexko i don't want play anymore on usko because im used to apexko style and in apexko you actually have a few nice people's to play and talk with in Usko it's just filled with turks without any english they should change it already in TRKO.

But the damage cap everything in Usko is better then in ApexKO my opinion and i think many others aswell!

 

And also this expansion order with UTC,DRAKIPENDANTS and shit is so bad which also really dissapointed me in Apex.

 

So yeah this is my last time i actually try to talk about this subject it makes no sense. I only feel wasting my times which clearly is.

 Aesteris,twostars,vivaldi whoever is gonna respond i will no longer talk about those subjects with Johnwick or any of them i'm done and i'm unhappy this is DefenseKO or TankKO.

 

 

 

 

@Razordagawd all the white text isn't really meant to you but for all server.

PS: Nerf stunrate it's to overpowered i don't even know why i'm using Lightning pots doesn't work anyways!!!

Hail LegolasKO / StunKO / DefenseKO/ TankKO / Holy Knight KO!!!

 

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by YouGotPwndByMyAss

[twostars]

I vaguely remember closing this thread.