Razordagawd Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) I realize this might actually make this strat more popular but idk if it's all that healthy for the game, so it needs to see the light regardless. Recently, after a barrage of insults from the god himself, XxxKingAureliOxxX, I realized that I was somehow disrupting his peaceful activity by luring bifrost monsters into town. I didn't pay much attention to it at first but later I realized why he got angry. He had his 2nd pc archer, invisible in town, on genie, waiting for orcs to do the daily quest that requires you invading the enemy cz base, just so he could kill them. What was happening was that his archer would attack the mobs I lured, and die in the process. What a prodigy this guy to come up with such an advanced way to troll innocent people! A true pioneer of our time. But anyway, days later I see more and more people doing it. People outside Aurelio's clan, people in orc side that already got my mage killed and I wonder if this is alright after all. I can't think of a way to fix it without adding annoying restrictions to free genie. Tl;dr: People are setting up alternate accounts or leaving theirs AFK at their home bases on genie and with a ranged attack on deck so that they can kill anyone doing the invisible potion CZ quest. Is this clever? Important? A non-issue? Edited March 16, 2018 by Razordagawd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouGotPwndByMyAss Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Razordagawd said: I realize this might actually make this strat more popular but idk if it's all that healthy for the game, so it needs to see the light regardless. Recently, after a barrage of insults from the god himself, XxxKingAureliOxxX, I realized that I was somehow disrupting his peaceful activity by luring bifrost monsters into town. I didn't pay much attention to it at first but later I realized why he got angry. He had his 2nd pc archer, invisible in town, on genie, waiting for orcs to do the daily quest that requires you invading the enemy cz base, just so he could kill them. What was happening was that his archer would attack the mobs I lured, and die in the process. What a prodigy this guy to come up with such an advanced way to troll innocent people! A true pioneer of our time. But anyway, days later I see more and more people doing it. People outside Aurelio's clan, people in orc side that already got my mage killed and I wonder if this is alright after all. I can't think of a way to fix it without adding annoying restrictions to free genie. Tl;dr: People are setting up alternate accounts or leaving theirs AFK at their home bases on genie and with a ranged attack on deck so that they can kill anyone doing the invisible potion CZ quest. Is this clever? Important? A non-issue? You are correct! It also happend to me i wanted to do this quest and a archer with genie called Ujio attacked me in his town and i died to the guard towers. And it happend 2 times in a row tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators twostars Posted March 16, 2018 Administrators Share Posted March 16, 2018 I think extending the special invis pot's duration and making them immune to attacks while it's active is probably the way to go about it. In all likelihood, it immuning attacks is how it was meant to operate to begin with, but never really went back and checked that for sure. The description does say something funky that could mean that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouGotPwndByMyAss Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, twostars said: I think extending the special invis pot's duration and making them immune to attacks while it's active is probably the way to go about it. In all likelihood, it immuning attacks is how it was meant to operate to begin with, but never really went back and checked that for sure. The description does say something funky that could mean that. There are people using them also in pk. So also make it that you can’t attack others while using it or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletClub Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 he does this. but really all you need to do is enter the base from the left behind the buildings and he cant hit you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razordagawd Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, twostars said: I think extending the special invis pot's duration and making them immune to attacks while it's active is probably the way to go about it. In all likelihood, it immuning attacks is how it was meant to operate to begin with, but never really went back and checked that for sure. The description does say something funky that could mean that. Not sure about granting people immunity... people do use it in pk, and even if you restrict their attacking ability like a poster above said, it could basically be used to cheat death in panic moments. People also use it to anger explosion town or nova town. A rare strategy but fun to do. Maybe the stealth fade-out duration could be made so it takes at least 1.5 seconds to lose the invisibility as opposed to normal stealthing effects, but I think that might break regular rogue stealth. The best solution is probably to prevent genie from locking attacks into players or monsters if you are stealthed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators twostars Posted March 16, 2018 Administrators Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, YouGotPwndByMyAss said: There are people using them also in pk. So also make it that you can’t attack others while using it or something like that. What I wanted to do was add a secondary debuff to the skill which prevents the player from attacking (while the invis pot prevented you from being attacked). So it would be applied for some time longer than the invis pot's duration. Well, technically until x time after it runs out (or is removed), but y'know, details. Essentially it becomes a nuisance quest item, and not something useful otherwise. Edited March 16, 2018 by twostars Ugh. Details. You know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletClub Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) how is this actually a problem? he is using his lupin computer to hit people. this isn't illegal in anyway, shape or form. Just annoying. don't make the potion useless. then you're taking an element of the game away. which is ignorant. players should be creative and use the buildings and houses in town to their advantage to not get hit by an arrow. it's not that difficult. it's the same per official. you risk something by doing this quest. if you want the NP/reward. you risk getting towered. and in official losing EXP is a huge loss. here you don't lose anything but time. you learned where his character is. and enter the base in a more strategic way the next time to avoid him, Edited March 16, 2018 by BulletClub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razordagawd Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BulletClub said: how is this actually a problem? he is using his lupin computer to hit people. this isn't illegal in anyway, shape or form. Just annoying. don't make the potion useless. then you're taking an element of the game away. which is ignorant. players should be creative and use the buildings and houses in town to their advantage to not get hit by an arrow. it's not that difficult. it's the same per official. you risk something by doing this quest. if you want the NP/reward. you risk getting towered. and in official losing EXP is a huge loss. here you don't lose anything but time. you learned where his character is. and enter the base in a more strategic way the next time to avoid him, And the related achievements if you want to go for 10k mobs without dying for wings! But yeah @twostars if this means making the item useless for attacking then forget I made this topic lol. Edited March 16, 2018 by Razordagawd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletClub Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) expect these changes to be implemented next patch lol Edited March 16, 2018 by BulletClub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators twostars Posted March 16, 2018 Administrators Share Posted March 16, 2018 It's a quest item created solely for that quest. It's not meant to be used in PK. If it's being abused for that, then that's not the intention and should definitely be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razordagawd Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, twostars said: It's a quest item created solely for that quest. It's not meant to be used in PK. If it's being abused for that, then that's not the intention and should definitely be fixed. Yeah but that's how it is in official. It's the only way for non-stealth classes to gain stealth for a short gimmick. Please do not change that lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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