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Well first of all; I'd just like to state that I love this game, and considering I have played it, on and off since beta; that says enough right there. I do also have really grown to enjoy this server as well. But it has gotten to the point, where I have grown to hate it. This is not K.O. anymore, it's a group of people moving around mouse buttons, with the best gear possible. None of which displaying any skill what so ever. I have lost my passion for this game just despite this fact, and this fact alone. It's not a game of skill anymore.. Now admittedly even USKO has now deemed these tools as being "jailable." Honestly though if we were to get rid of the macro's, get rid of the passion skill. We could make this a much more balanced server. When two rogues are macro minoring the target you're trying to kill, you will never kill him. It completely ruins the game for me, I don't even log in anymore.

 

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I agree. Getting a new input to remove both 3rd party tool based and hardware based macros will improve gameplay extensively. This is no matter for me, however the idea you brought up pertaining to passion skill is too extreme. The true grace of an 83 warrior lies within fervor (passion build). This is what makes warriors such as they are, If you remove that then its just stupid in my opinion. Also please for the love of god, can we get rid of kurians? Like lets be honest, the only purpose people even have those as a "char" is either of 2 things. 1- dot curse build or 2 - pull/divide build. It's stupid and it ruins the gameplay in colony zone pk.

Anyways, this is just my 2 cents. Take it as you will.

 

Link -> http://forum.nttgame.com/forum/showthread.php?326499-About-the-players-that-were-sent-to-Dicipline-Dungeon-61

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1 hour ago, fluffykitten said:

The passion build isn't really too much of an issue for me. But you can't sit there and give full krowaz +9 warriors with baals/wiri +9 a horse and passion build. That's un killable..

sit and give full krowaz +9? dafuq you saying. This guys who make this farm and gamble their luck on anvil, and others just babashop it to them.

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Lol ban macros... I doubt USKO is banning/punishing even a fraction of everyone using some kind of automation. Maybe a strong word list of known programs or something. And even if they're detecting the method itself they can only ban the users using software for it, and not hardware. Is that even fair?

Anyway if you know how to detect both hardware and software macros in a good and fair way i'm pretty sure they would implement a prevention for it. But it would have to be against all kinds of macros i suppose. Kinda lame to detect 5% of macro-users and ban them, but the rest walks free because it can't be proven. 

h.g 2017 magro>all

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23 minutes ago, HenkaN said:

Lol ban macros... I doubt USKO is banning/punishing even a fraction of everyone using some kind of automation. Maybe a strong word list of known programs or something. And even if they're detecting the method itself they can only ban the users using software for it, and not hardware. Is that even fair?

Anyway if you know how to detect both hardware and software macros in a good and fair way i'm pretty sure they would implement a prevention for it. But it would have to be against all kinds of macros i suppose. Kinda lame to detect 5% of macro-users and ban them, but the rest walks free because it can't be proven. 

h.g 2017 magro>all

Or just use tbl Ben Kral Sen Mal

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9 hours ago, fluffykitten said:

Well first of all; I'd just like to state that I love this game, and considering I have played it, on and off since beta; that says enough right there. I do also have really grown to enjoy this server as well. But it has gotten to the point, where I have grown to hate it. This is not K.O. anymore, it's a group of people moving around mouse buttons, with the best gear possible. None of which displaying any skill what so ever. I have lost my passion for this game just despite this fact, and this fact alone. It's not a game of skill anymore.. Now admittedly even USKO has now deemed these tools as being "jailable." Honestly though if we were to get rid of the macro's, get rid of the passion skill. We could make this a much more balanced server. When two rogues are macro minoring the target you're trying to kill, you will never kill him. It completely ruins the game for me, I don't even log in anymore.

 

I agree but there're some other points to ponder as well. First of all, about it not being a "game of skill anymore": imho, you're mostly right here. This is specially true for rogues; macro made it possible for everyone, people who otherwise wouldn't to be able to maneuver the class properly, to play it just fine. And the consequences of that are terrible because it granted all the sins great survivability and it banalised the class which ended up making it unbalanced and way weaker than what it's supposed to be. What I mean is: assassins should be really strong and hit extremely high but also die easily and be very hard to master since it should require a lot of manual labor and skill. But now that's all gone. And I hate that. I say this a lot but again, 99% of people who are deemed "gg assassins" have never ever put more than three fingers on their keyboard. You strip them of their macro and they'd become nothing. 

As for warriors that are now also macroing, that is literally the saddest part of this game right now. Not only they play the easiest class but now they're not even actually playing it anymore. As you said, just selecting targets. The worst part is that they're being labled as good warriors instead of being labled as mentally ill, meaning that the general population support it. Sheer stupidity. But mgame is also to be blamed here, they made their skill spammable which opened room for macro to take place. And then the snowball effect starts. One macroer starts winning and being obviously more effective than others so other people start doing it as well. It's all extremely messed up.

But there's still a lot of skill involved in this game. Just a differnt kind. Map awareness, agility, good communication, timing etc. So the game is still very good in my opinion you just need to understand its current state and well, accept.

All we can hope is that somehow every kind of macro gets blocked and they also fix passion build someday. That and many other small details that could make this game go from fun to amazing.

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I agree 100% ive played since myko beta and back then it was about skill and timing now its the better macro wins, But to ban people for it would be a pipe dream. Remember no matter how you look at this game its a buisness and to ban macros would mean losing players who just cant live without a macro cause theyre bad at this game which means yok money in donations. And the staff is way to greedy to make a decision like that.

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I would be up to block them all. But just like Henkan said, it's simply NOT impossible. Maybe you can get 5-10 or even 20% of them , but what about the rest?     It would just  cause an overall population drop, while the "problem" itself would still remain, since any1 with a lil knowledge could find numerous ways to bypass such a detection.

 

 

As for the "macro problem" i don't rly care. For priests / mages / kurians it's irrevelant. On rogues / warriors (especially on rogues) it helps, mainly in vs, but most ppl still sux as hell even with macro, furthermore you can get to the macro lvl fairly easily w/o macro too.

 

 

And in pk, as Manhattan said good coordination, timing, overall vision worth way more than macro. I can't even count the retarded macro rogues  running into poitless situation and dieing miserably deaths / chasing ppl out of the map while their party dies so ye...

 

 

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1 hour ago, MON5TER said:

I agree 100% ive played since myko beta and back then it was about skill and timing now its the better macro wins, But to ban people for it would be a pipe dream. Remember no matter how you look at this game its a buisness and to ban macros would mean losing players who just cant live without a macro cause theyre bad at this game which means yok money in donations. And the staff is way to greedy to make a decision like that.

If the detection were there and working for 100% of the macros you wouldn't need to ban for it, you could simply just disable it, ezpz.

But then again, the problem is not if it's nice to allow it or unfair to forbid it, it's about how it can be done lol.

7 hours ago, HenkaN said:

Also remove dumb people while we're at it.

 

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21 hours ago, fluffykitten said:

Well first of all; I'd just like to state that I love this game, and considering I have played it, on and off since beta; that says enough right there. I do also have really grown to enjoy this server as well. But it has gotten to the point, where I have grown to hate it. This is not K.O. anymore, it's a group of people moving around mouse buttons, with the best gear possible. None of which displaying any skill what so ever. I have lost my passion for this game just despite this fact, and this fact alone. It's not a game of skill anymore.. Now admittedly even USKO has now deemed these tools as being "jailable." Honestly though if we were to get rid of the macro's, get rid of the passion skill. We could make this a much more balanced server. When two rogues are macro minoring the target you're trying to kill, you will never kill him. It completely ruins the game for me, I don't even log in anymore.

 

yeah those damn rogues with their macros.... ban them all! xDA:SDAF:AS:FAS:FAS:FAS:FSA:FAS:F:SA:SDFAA

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