DeathMagnetic Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 First of all,My nickname is LegacyKing and i would like to make a point about archers and also i have a video for it.All jobs needs to be active in pvps but the thing is if there is too much mage their dmg needs to be lowered or there is too much warriors their skills need nerf so on.Even in this hard times what i mean is shortage of users.There is too much archers pk ing in ronarkland and believe they are abusing it.We have no chance to compete with them.Let me explain this first -They dont need priest(mostly) -They have really high failed rate -2 starter archer is enough for full geared priest(I m not gonna say priest is maliced or not.Both way is dead) -When i run at them they run away from me and then i left running. They turn back and attack this is kinda toxic.Im not saying stop shooting at me but understand this this situation kinda make people tilted(angry).I ll left a link below just watch this.Then lets talk about what are you guys think about.Please dont troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffzord Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 First of all,My nickname is LegacyKing and i would like to make a point about archers and also i have a video for it.All jobs needs to be active in pvps but the thing is if there is too much mage their dmg needs to be lowered or there is too much warriors their skills need nerf so on.Even in this hard times what i mean is shortage of users.There is too much archers pk ing in ronarkland and believe they are abusing it.We have no chance to compete with them.Let me explain this first -They dont need priest(mostly) -They have really high failed rate -2 starter archer is enough for full geared priest(I m not gonna say priest is maliced or not.Both way is dead) -When i run at them they run away from me and then i left running. They turn back and attack this is kinda toxic.Im not saying stop shooting at me but understand this this situation kinda make people tilted(angry).I ll left a link below just watch this.Then lets talk about what are you guys think about.Please dont troll. Hello LegacyKing, my name is Muffin and I would like to join this conversation. Most archers run with full dex accs so if they dont have priest around they die to sins easily. They have high cancel rate but the rate is in my opinion broken for every class. So first cancel rate should be looked at generally and then checked again for archers. Mind that for archers (who mostly use dex accs) going for the priest in a crowded cz full party pk to arrow shower him is insta death. Sadly, most archers on this server just troll around attacking from far and when they are being targetted they run away. Its lame and definately not fun but mind that other classes like melee parties just insta town when their db is dead. Also you can counter enemy archers by having some in your party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMagnetic Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Thanks for the comment bro.I think having some archers in my party only destroy my playstyle also i think 1 or 2 archers cant compete with 15 archers(I saw yesterday they were 2 party archers ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harzi Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Ya +1 muffin but you know 2x archer vs 2x sin its rip for sins because ice/light shots working 99% 1/2 for sure . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackaq Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 They have high cancel rate but the rate is in my opinion broken for every class. So first cancel rate should be looked at generally and then checked again for archers. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERSACEONTHEFLOOR Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Ya +1 muffin but you know 2x archer vs 2x sin its rip for sins because ice/light shots working 99% 1/2 for sure . ey nub why you complain about archers when you yourself is an archer? B>> windforce+ 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffzord Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Thanks for the comment bro.I think having some archers in my party only destroy my playstyle also i think 1 or 2 archers cant compete with 15 archers(I saw yesterday they were 2 party archers ) The thing is, you dont have to fight 15archers if you dont want to - just skip them. Most of the time archer parties stand in front of ob/hb to shoot random people without parties. (hello serbians) Mind that archer parties arent that efficient in closed area with many obstacles like bowl. You cant really use "destroy my playstyle" as an argument. One could say that going solo on a warrior is his "playstyle" that is ruined by all the debuffers and melees hitting him - but that isnt very smart is it? Ya +1 muffin but you know 2x archer vs 2x sin its rip for sins because ice/light shots working 99% 1/2 for sure . That is true assuming that sins are retarded or disabled in any way. Archers dont have enough damage to drop a sin from far when he minors himself + has got minor from the other one. As soon as sins get close to archers they use cp and drop one archer in a sec. Also ice/light shots dont have that high rate. Not even close to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSER Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Any class with 2x parties can cause trouble to enemy i think. To archers, not many archer in this server can tank, 90% of them just shoot and run, and you can just find something to block (not hard to find in bowl) and they will have to choose, come close to fight or running around for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMagnetic Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 The thing is, you dont have to fight 15archers if you dont want to - just skip them. Most of the time archer parties stand in front of ob/hb to shoot random people without parties. (hello serbians) Mind that archer parties arent that efficient in closed area with many obstacles like bowl. You cant really use "destroy my playstyle" as an argument. One could say that going solo on a warrior is his "playstyle" that is ruined by all the debuffers and melees hitting him - but that isnt very smart is it? That is true assuming that sins are retarded or disabled in any way. Archers dont have enough damage to drop a sin from far when he minors himself + has got minor from the other one. As soon as sins get close to archers they use cp and drop one archer in a sec. Also ice/light shots dont have that high rate. Not even close to that. Aight i accept all you said.Then lets sign a contract with archers when i go different directions 15 archers will not gonna shoot me .People will laugh about it man there is no such thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMagnetic Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 The thing is, you dont have to fight 15archers if you dont want to - just skip them. Most of the time archer parties stand in front of ob/hb to shoot random people without parties. (hello serbians) Mind that archer parties arent that efficient in closed area with many obstacles like bowl. You cant really use "destroy my playstyle" as an argument. One could say that going solo on a warrior is his "playstyle" that is ruined by all the debuffers and melees hitting him - but that isnt very smart is it? That is true assuming that sins are retarded or disabled in any way. Archers dont have enough damage to drop a sin from far when he minors himself + has got minor from the other one. As soon as sins get close to archers they use cp and drop one archer in a sec. Also ice/light shots dont have that high rate. Not even close to that. Aight i accept all you said.Then lets sign a contract with archers when i go different directions 15 archers will not gonna shoot me .People will laugh about it man there is no such thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMagnetic Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Any class with 2x parties can cause trouble to enemy i think. To archers, not many archer in this server can tank, 90% of them just shoot and run, and you can just find something to block (not hard to find in bowl) and they will have to choose, come close to fight or running around for nothing. Hide behind something not a pking i think.What i am trying to say is they are abusing it you know.They just surround you hiding not a solution i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffzord Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Aight i accept all you said.Then lets sign a contract with archers when i go different directions 15 archers will not gonna shoot me .People will laugh about it man there is no such thing No contract needed. Just go around them, its not that hard. Dont fight archers in an open area. Like KSER said if you take 15 of any class it will be hard to fight with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMagnetic Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Believe me i can fight with 15 ppl but archers.As i said they keep chasing after me dont you read it man.Well okey create a party go for pk and see with your own eyes.They just keep shooting at you even i vs 8v8 one archers stand and shoot at me just for the cancel.Is that funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffzord Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 This is going offtopic, if you have a problem with archers chasing you then it has nothing to do with a class working not right. Are there archers who interrupt your 8man party vs? Yes, there are many archers who do that. You gotta deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergundy Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 While i do think something needs to be done, i in no way think archers are overpowered at all. Its just about which direction we want this server to go in. As a sin that barely parties with more than 4 people these full dex archer parties are such an easy source of NP's when you sneak up on them and don't face tank 500 arrows. So if the server was to be adjusted to my playstyle, archers wouldn't need to be changed. The reason people complain about them is mainly because the party that is favoured the most in terms of overall efficency is 3priests 5warriors. The only thing lacking in this party setup is gap closers and when there is an abundance of archers this party can practically do nothing but tank them.( noted that 3priests in a party wont die to just archers by themselves ever, they need to be accompanied by another party of melees/mages) So there is really two ways of looking at this: 1. You can go in the direction of warrior party "meta" since they don't want to adapt and add a sin or two and nerf archers. or 2. You can leave it how it is and players could learn how to adjust to any type of pk rather than the tunnel vision warrior pk. I personally would want archers nerfed but only because melee servers are just healthier/more enjoyable in my opinion. However I can fully understand an archers justification for an unnecessary nerf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackaq Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 about to steal this topic for an amazing vid np Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalOne Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 What about 3-4sins in party running on stealth and waiting for cp to get 1 ppl in half secound and run? This is even worst watching unskilled sins doing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMagnetic Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 While i do think something needs to be done, i in no way think archers are overpowered at all. Its just about which direction we want this server to go in. As a sin that barely parties with more than 4 people these full dex archer parties are such an easy source of NP's when you sneak up on them and don't face tank 500 arrows. So if the server was to be adjusted to my playstyle, archers wouldn't need to be changed. The reason people complain about them is mainly because the party that is favoured the most in terms of overall efficency is 3priests 5warriors. The only thing lacking in this party setup is gap closers and when there is an abundance of archers this party can practically do nothing but tank them.( noted that 3priests in a party wont die to just archers by themselves ever, they need to be accompanied by another party of melees/mages) So there is really two ways of looking at this: 1. You can go in the direction of warrior party "meta" since they don't want to adapt and add a sin or two and nerf archers. or 2. You can leave it how it is and players could learn how to adjust to any type of pk rather than the tunnel vision warrior pk. I personally would want archers nerfed but only because melee servers are just healthier/more enjoyable in my opinion. However I can fully understand an archers justification for an unnecessary nerf. I tried dont worry.My gap closer(my rogue or tp mage) goes for them and they stunned or died instantly:D.It wont work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergundy Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 about to steal this topic for an amazing vid np I can not thank you enough for this revolutionary video. They have just raised the bar on how sins should be pking. The disrespect on king Aurelio himself as well as the anger town at the end. What didn't this pk video have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackaq Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I can not thank you enough for this revolutionary video. They have just raised the bar on how sins should be pking. The disrespect on king Aurelio himself as well as the anger town at the end. What didn't this pk video have! ikr, outplayed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdonisTR Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Well First of all thanks to all to share ur opinions with us and we'll look into that %100. I'd like to share my opinion aswell. Firslty I think PK is more then just attacking and killing people. Sometimes you'll have to play defence aswell what I mean by this is actually a priest can easily slide to 5x and 3x arrows. 2ndly In a melee party you've more than 1 priest Like 1 DB + 1 Buffer (Party Cure) or even sometimes 3 Priests so they can easily help each other. Actually strategy speaks more here in Knight Online Warrios can descent on priest and play tank so the priests can stay alive. Each class has his own skills like Mage can stun or slow , Asassins can deal big damages with critical point (Jamadar) etc etc. In my opinion the only succesfull thing on the archer is his cancel rate well there can be worked on archers ofcourse their light shock and ice shock can be checked aswell. P.S: This was just an opinion ( my opinion) Regards, AdonisTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators twostars Posted August 30, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2016 In my opinion the only succesfull thing on the archer is his cancel rate well there can be worked on archers ofcourse their light shock and ice shock can be checked aswell.The only thing that directly matters in terms of cancelling a skill is the rate of the skill being cancelled. The only reason archers cancel more is because each arrow has a chance to cancel, so essentially with arrow shower that's 5x the chance of cancelling a skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathMagnetic Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 The only thing that directly matters in terms of cancelling a skill is the rate of the skill being cancelled. The only reason archers cancel more is because each arrow has a chance to cancel, so essentially with arrow shower that's 5x the chance of cancelling a skill. Can you also check light/ice arrows by far.Is that also 5x chance of cancelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NARKOZ Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 archers are not strong enough i think. if you nerf them it means totaly finish archery in server. if you think to build a fair game play, and if you want to nerf archers, you need to do theese things too: 1. activate rate of gabs adamant. you need to nerf this rate, make it lower. because every 4-5 shots, priest's adamant is activating, and it's not possible to kill them. 2. warriors aoe skills, should be remove. and cd time of descent should be more. if warrior parties has a assasin, they all descent on him and using aoe skills = dead archer party instantly. 3. mage damages. nerf all of them. because 6 novas to a archer party = all party dead. as you see, archers are not strong enough and die easly. this server is very balanced now i think. dont nerf any class, or nerf everyone. respects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroOk Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 change class or join any party with 3/4 priest by party eyv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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