brutal Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well, why am I making this topic? ive seen several people asking on ko4life if genie is going to be free. Now with cheating in PvP is ensured to be cheat free, what about PvE? What is going to stop people from using some bots/programs to exp/farm. Since determining a human from a bot is almost impossible in this case (unless you demand some annoying captcha checks every 30 mins) GENIE could actually be a solution so that people wont have to seek for other ways. Money can be still made on genie users, people will need auto loot, repair, potions (if they dont want to repot often they can buy 5k potion packs from PUS) Pros of genie being free: People wont "have to" use other cheat programs to exp/farm, so the game will stay clean (which would be really nice to see) Might tighten the gap between paying players and free2play players, and save free2play players some time (if they wouldnt buy it otherwise) Cons: I personally dont like genie, its still "botting" and it might look weird when everyone is using genie (when i imagine moradon full of genie users right in the start, that look is pretty bad.. - maybe enable it 35-50lvl+? (maybe even few days after starting the server?)) Less money for the server? (well maybe not, if more people are gonna use it, they may buy 5k potions and autoloot, 5k potions will be cheaper from pus then for coins when the server starts i think) It may not work for everyone and people might still be looting for other options to gain EXP/NOAH while being afk Even people who wouldnt use "bot programs" nor genie before, will now use genie-> even more afkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycaons Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm not in favor of Genie at all. If the community however do decide to vote for in-game genie, I don't think it should be something that's free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallop Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'm not in favor of Genie at all. If the community however do decide to vote for in-game genie, I don't think it should be something that's free. +1 to this. No slacking off people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHunter Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 fuck genie and fuck mitt romney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapislazuli Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I personally disagree, Genie should be there for people who want the exclusive (and often times risky) benefit of earning levels (or farming items if autolooting is possible) while AFK. It shouldn't be available to anyone otherwise there would be no reason to never use it at any time you go idle, becoming something like Mining in Knight Kdom. Also... EXPing won't be that hard, I'm seeing a lot of backlash against grinding lately in other servers, hopefully it won't be that slow here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallop Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 A lot of backlash? What are you talking about? Pretty much what people have been seeking for years has been a 15xx hard farm server and this server has the required materials for it. You can poll it if you want although I've done the required research a while back. Ofc people won't be content on just one expansion, which is why adding items after a while will keep the server interesting. Although, I'm quite sure that the server will keep us busy with all kinds of events and active PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapislazuli Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 A lot of backlash? What are you talking about? Pretty much what people have been seeking for years has been a 15xx hard farm server and this server has the required materials for it. You can poll it if you want although I've done the required research a while back. Ofc people won't be content on just one expansion, which is why adding items after a while will keep the server interesting. Although, I'm quite sure that the server will keep us busy with all kinds of events and active PK. People don't have nearly as much time to grind it 24/7 anymore. Realize that most of the KO fans played it back then when they were anywhere from 12 to 20 years old, times have changed IMO. Also, a hard farm server sees way less new players after its release month, because no one wants to join a server where everyone is already fully decked out. Hard farming is my thing... but we gotta find a proper curve for everyone. Perhaps events giving a significant EXP bonus the first time you run them in a day? (first bdw 35m exp, subsequent bdws the same day 7m exp like usual) numbers are subjective. I don't know, help the casuals somehow with these sorts of daily bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizdets Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Against genie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resmurf Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 There should not be Genie. But keep in mind, we don't want a server that is harder to level up than USKO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapislazuli Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 There should not be Genie. But keep in mind, we don't want a server that is harder to level up than USKO. It definitely won't be harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnen Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Bots and Genie were invented to avoid the bore of grinding your way to lvl 80 plus and farm in the shiitty low-rate-drop usko. That's the reality. People have been asking for "hard farm where nothing ever drops and you get lvl 80 in months" in a private server? Where? Who? Imagine joining a private server who has been around for a couple of months and everybody is enjoying pvp and events and you can't because you have to spent like months to actually level up and gear up just to realise that you're not having fun at all. USKO because it was usko. I believe that APEXKO should be different and EXP rate should be considerably increased and low-rate-drop should be fixed aswell. Making a "perfect copy of USKO in behaviour and machanics" sounds good but usko grinding and low-drop-rate was the worst thing ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resmurf Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Bots and Genie were invented to avoid the bore of grinding your way to lvl 80 plus and farm in the shiitty low-rate-drop usko. That's the reality. People have been asking for "hard farm where nothing ever drops and you get lvl 80 in months" in a private server? Where? Who? Imagine joining a private server who has been around for a couple of months and everybody is enjoying pvp and events and you can't because you have to spent like months to actually level up and gear up just to realise that you're not having fun at all. USKO because it was usko. I believe that APEXKO should be different and EXP rate should be considerably increased and low-rate-drop should be fixed aswell. Making a "perfect copy of USKO in behaviour and machanics" sounds good but usko grinding and low-drop-rate was the worst thing ever. Not online the hard grinding to get beated by "babashopers" but the bad customers service, like the worst on any game i've ever experienced. (Sorry for going a little bit offtopic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapislazuli Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Yeah the grinding should def. be toned down since that would be negative for newer players recently joining. Keep in mind that quests give 2x the exp if I'm not mistaken though, and events also give more EXP, not to mention the dynamic exp events that I have yet to see. I'm not against genie, if people want to get some exp while AFK then let them. It will never be on par with normal exp at booro while doing events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Keep genie in, turks love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycaons Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I think what people are forgetting is that Apex won't be as hard of a grind as USKO (EXP wise). Genie isn't really a necessity for players, even if they don't have a lot of time to play. They have some alternatives if they cannot be active, such as sharing or even staying level 59. Of course they won't be neck and neck with the people who will grind for 10 hours + daily, but it doesn't make the server unplayable for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapislazuli Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think what people are forgetting is that Apex won't be as hard of a grind as USKO (EXP wise). Genie isn't really a necessity for players, even if they don't have a lot of time to play. They have some alternatives if they cannot be active, such as sharing or even staying level 59. Of course they won't be neck and neck with the people who will grind for 10 hours + daily, but it doesn't make the server unplayable for them. It's not necessary alright, but if people want to buy it they should have the choice open. That's just me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfurion Stormrage Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think genie should be on powerup store because its really usefull to players who doesnt have much time but it shoudnt be free. I saw on achgames that people were abusing it with auto loot so they had to bump the price to 400 from 200 in order to prevent player from abusing it. If we hand out genies for free that would mean there will be people getting op buss farm with just an auto loot fairy. I dont agree with ''genie kills the raid'' since hardcore players will prefer cz hand exp since it gives more exp and they will get more level that way and casual players will prefer long long brahman/paramun slots with afk genies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I will vote yes for a genie,its a usefull thing when u have to go afk in the middle of an exp party and most of the people have stuff to do so i dont see an issue if som1 wants to leave his char afk at derus or somewhere.They can tweak it for example it can be only used till lvl 80 and there will be no auto loot so basicly you can only use it on low lvl mobs or while u have to go afk in the middle of a xp party.It should in my mind be free,again they can make it same as usko u get like 60 mins or so on it per day and thats it.Either way you look people can benefit from it if its done properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarotan Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Genie is the only way for people like me who grew up with the fantastic KO pvp but now have to slave daily for coins to live on to be able to somewhat keep up with the people that can actually grind 10+ hours pr day. It is also people like me (who work) that will most likely provide a good income for this server, and therefore i suggest they keep genie in it just to keep us babashoppers happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotanicalConcepts Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Knight Online wouldn't be the same without some grind. For me I never had a high level character and I went ardream pretty quickly because I was like "yooo fuck that man, I wanna have fun". But obviously the devs are taking steps to make things "achievable" i.e. getting to level 80 without needing two sharers and being logged on 16 hours a day to be "competetive". A game design that encourages fun and healthy gaming habits is good. In other words, the amount of time/money you need to invest to be "pvp competitive" is like 30% of what you need to be "elite". I don't know what genie is exactly cuz I have been away from the game for a long time, but it sounds like a good idea to me. I also thinking alot of grind encourages KOXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sick Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Genie being free is just silly. I mean, If you can't afford to pay for genie(help support the server). Then you obviously don't deserve to have the pleasure of leeching. It's quite simple really. I recently sold my USKO priest lvl 83 rebirth 4. So I do know what I am talking about, all I would do was genie on USKO. All I am saying is genie is fine where it is and that is in the PUS. Basically it comes down to if that person is willing to exp manually or auto-pilot using genie. "That's just the way it is" - 2pac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReborN Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Simple, do it at PUS but, with votes or if u login everyday, u get 1 pack of 2 hours of genie, so ppl wont be able to abuse it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sick Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Simple, do it at PUS but, with votes or if u login everyday, u get 1 pack of 2 hours of genie, so ppl wont be able to abuse it! That's not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators twostars Posted April 25, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 25, 2015 The other thing is, like official, you can accumulate Genie Points via the exp training feature (i.e. sitting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReborN Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 The other thing is, like official, you can accumulate Genie Points via the exp training feature (i.e. sitting). Ye i know, thats good, but on official, it goes only until u log off, unless u had already bought genie before, so it wont go 0 again, but if u gonna make the genie system. pls do accumulate 1 hour of genie as free user, and dont lose when u log off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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